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John EdwardsAn interview with presidential candidate John Edwards about energy and the environment By Amanda Griscom Little
This is part of a series of candidate interviews produced jointly by Grist and Outside. John Edwards has gone to great lengths to outshine the top Democratic candidates with an aggressive environmental platform. This blue-collar defender has painted himself as a dedicated greenie. The first candidate to call for an 80 percent reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions by 2050 and the first to make his campaign carbon neutral. Edwards has had a Pied Piper effect on the other Democratic contenders, prompting them to make similar pledges. He has also set himself apart with his call for a freeze on all development of coal-fired power plants until they can be outfitted with carbon-sequestration technology. We spoke to Edwards on his cell phone as he hurtled through the fields of rural Iowa in his campaign bus.
You were the first presidential candidate to call for reducing U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions 80 percent by 2050, and you were the first to make your campaign carbon neutral. What inspired these pledges? What makes you the strongest candidate on energy and the environment? Can you give some examples of what makes your platform stronger than other candidates'? The most central point I'd make is that all of us have to take responsibility in order to address an issue like climate change. The great movements in American historyand it is certainly true of the green movementdidn't begin in the Oval Office; they began out here in America, where people with convictions spoke out and stood their ground.
Your proposed ban on coal-fired power plants would cause a political firestorm. How will you push this through? Do you think we need a carbon tax? You've proposed a 40-mile-per-gallon fuel-economy standard by 2016. The auto industry argues this would cripple them. Can they hack it? What role should the U.S. play in crafting a new international climate agreement? Wethe great innovators that we areneed to make technology available to developing countries that will need it in order to achieve a significant reduction in greenhouse gases. China is building more than one coal-fired power plant a week, and none of them are scrubbed [i.e., equipped with technologies that remove sulfur-based pollutants from the gases emitted from their smokestacks], which will do incredible damage to the environment. America has to lead them in a different direction. As president, would you support technologies that would worsen global warming even if they helped to reduce our dependence on foreign oil? Is Iraq a war for oil? The thing that I am certain is true is that our dependence on oil has an incredibly negative effect in trying to stop the forces of terrorism. It props up bad governments, particularly in the Middle East, who don't educate their kids, don't reform their governments, don't economically develop, and in many cases are largely isolated from the rest of the world. And the main reason is because they are on drugs, and that drug is oil. So long as they are mainlining oil, they will never reform. Which is why America needs to make a switch from our addiction to oil and carbon-based fuels to wind, solar, safer biofuels, and cleaner renewable energy, which will have positive impacts far beyond economic impacts. No. 1: It will create at least one million "green-collar" jobs in this country. No. 2: When we drive down the price of oil, it creates an environment where these countries that are mainlining oil all of a sudden have no choice, and they have to reform, they have to educate their kids, they have to economically develop. On top of that, if you look at the consequences of America moving to develop biofuels, which are clearly crucial going forward, we have the land mass to support that here in America. But the Europeans probably do not, so they are either going to need to buy from us or develop their own capacity. And there is a very good chance that they will do that in Africa, in which case you help billions of people in Africa who have no means of helping themselves out of poverty. Which means the positive consequences of America leading on climate change are almost endless. There's concern in the environmental community over the impacts of corn ethanol. How will you structure policies to shift us away from corn ethanol and toward cellulosic ethanol? I'll create new markets for ethanol by requiring all new cars to run on both gasoline and E85 ethanol, requiring 25 percent of chain gas stations to carry E85. I'll also create a $13 billion-a-year New Energy Economy Fund to invest in renewable and energy-efficient technology, including new methods of producing and using ethanol, like cellulosic ethanol. To raise these resources, I'll charge greenhouse-gas polluters for emission permits and repeal subsidies for big oil companies. After climate and energy, what do you think is the most important environmental issue facing the nation? What environmental achievement are you most proud of? Who is your environmental hero? How has your experience with the natural world shaped your view of environmental issues and your approach to environmental policy? If you could spend a week in a park or natural area of the United States, where would that be? Describe your most memorable experience or adventure in the outdoors. I've since been blessed to have the opportunity to share the outdoors with my own kids. In the summer of 1995, my son Wade and I climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. The climb was physically challenging, but eventually I joined Wade and our friends at the top. I'll never forget the experience. I think passing a love of the outdoors through generations is a great American tradition-a powerful reminder of our obligation to act as stewards. When we go hiking or swimming or camping or boating with our kids, we're reminded of both the gift and the responsibility we've been given. You have been criticized for building a large house. How do you reconcile that with concerns about consumption and energy use? What kind of car do you drive? If George Bush were a plant or an animal, what kind would he be?
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